On 23rd September 2017, Claude Stavy responds to the questions of psychoanalysts gathered in Aix-en-Provence on the relation between institution and desire, within the context of the second preparatory meeting towards the 47th Study-Days of the ECF, under the theme "Learning: Desire or Conditioning" to be held on November 25th and 26th organized by the Association of Cause Freudienne Méditerranée-Alpes-Provence.