On Saturday, July 25th, the Toronto Initiative held a conversation with Leonardo Gorostiza entitled "The Shoehorn without Measure Years Later". This conversation focused on three moments in the experience of analysis and nomination of AE: the time before the nomination, the period of AE and finally the moment when the AE function has concluded. The conversation was animated by various questions. The co-ordination was in the charge of Carlos Rivas and the presentation of Inés Anderson. Radio Lacan thanks colleagues Linda Clarke and Ruzanna Hakobyan for their contribution to the establishment of this programme.