This meeting took place on May 13th 2020, and was led by Romildo do Rêgo Barros and Marcus André Vieira, under the coordination of Sérgio de Castro. The axis was placed on the presence of the analyst as a rupture, which disturbs the fantasy and makes the real emerge under the form of the object that returns to the analysand as an unfamiliar experience linked to the Freudian unheimliche.