On Friday 14 April, the presentation of the book "Violencias y desamparos. Una práctica colaborativa entre salud mental y educación”, organised by the Biblioteca de Orientación Lacaniana de Zaragoza, gave rise to a fruitful conversation with the authors, Susana Brignoni and Graciela Essebag; with colleagues from the ELP and school workers, who had been invited to the round table. Carmen Conca interviews Susana Brignoni about the research on the effects of working with children and adolescents in care, through the Nou Barris Foundation of Barcelona, where both Graciela and Susana have been carrying out institutional work for years; aimed at caring for minors and providing guidance to the professionals they work with.