Within the framework of the 11th Congress of the WAP in Barcelona, our colleague Alejandro Velázquez interviews Vilma Coccoz, president of the last plenary of the Congress together with Graciela Brodsky. It was entitled "Delusions, Debilities, Beliefs (Science, Politics, Religion)" and Vilma Coccoz makes a generous and excellent report to share with our audience. In turn, our colleague Fabio Paes Barreto interviews Jesus Santiago, in a broad and generous historical tour on the ordinary psychoses, locating the place of the analyst and the reading of the phrase from the end of analysis.